tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post8157033109684602633..comments2024-03-27T03:00:27.024-04:00Comments on Facts & other stubborn things: LK on Keynes on the NazisEvanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12259004160963531720noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-65084882151508504642011-08-24T16:47:41.586-04:002011-08-24T16:47:41.586-04:00LK,
Yeah, I think that is an unpublished collecti...LK,<br /><br />Yeah, I think that is an unpublished collection at King's College, Cambridge.Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-53938152288605873432011-08-24T16:21:25.281-04:002011-08-24T16:21:25.281-04:00The reference for this letter is
Keynes Papers L/...The reference for this letter is<br /><br /><i>Keynes Papers</i> L/33, John Maynard Keynes to A. Spiethoff, 25 August 1933.<br /><br />I have not seen this full letter as yet.Lord Keyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-61166527871426063902011-08-24T16:13:58.157-04:002011-08-24T16:13:58.157-04:00"What is in between all those ellipses exactl...<i>"What is in between all those ellipses exactly?"</i><br /><br />The ellipses are in Skidelsky's book.Lord Keyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556863604205200159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-85395647804283638912011-08-24T15:46:57.722-04:002011-08-24T15:46:57.722-04:00So now I'm off to see if I can find this lette...So now I'm off to see if I can find this letter in a published collection somewhere.<br /><br />I did find this on Prof. Spiethoff (never heard of the guy before today): http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/20429/1/MPRA_paper_20429.pdf It has a summary of who the guy was.Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-59850538149807063202011-08-24T15:36:41.829-04:002011-08-24T15:36:41.829-04:00This wasn't a long blog post by DeLong; it was...This wasn't a long blog post by DeLong; it was a collection of quotations that is pages long.<br /><br />I'll find it again, and you'll see what I mean<br /><br />http://econ161.berkeley.edu/economists/keynes.html<br /><br />See, he is most likely pulling that quotation from somewhere (just like everyone on the internets is pulling it from somewhere*); so it comes an issue of provenance, etc. <br /><br />*In other words, none of the users of the quote online have likely ever read the letter - or at least that is what I gather from its use online so far as I am able to discern such. Unless it is in some published collection (in book form or on microfiche/film or whatever) of letters it is going to be very hard to read the letter in fact (you'd have to visit whatever archive it is housed in and ask for it).Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-19847643924064672732011-08-24T15:20:58.026-04:002011-08-24T15:20:58.026-04:00There are times when I wish I knew what DeLong was...There are times when I wish I knew what DeLong was leaving out - I've noticed him do this too. But fundamentally I disagree with you. Long blog posts are obnoxious. Blog posts are more akin to the short magazine article. People can always go to the source.<br /><br />Now of course changing substance is different - that's unacceptable regardless.Daniel Kuehnhttp://www.factsandotherstubbornthings.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-80200112585875804862011-08-24T15:18:49.909-04:002011-08-24T15:18:49.909-04:00Everyone seems to be using those ellipses (I'v...Everyone seems to be using those ellipses (I've seen it now on a list of quotations used by Brad DeLong amongst others), so it all probably coming from one published source, and probably a book or a journal article (this is sort of typical for the internets - someone finds something in a secondary source and then everyone quotes it). I am sure it is perfectly ok; but it is one of those sytlistic points that annoys me. If you are going to use someone's words, use all of them if the medium allows for such.Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-51722300122400693412011-08-24T14:56:07.106-04:002011-08-24T14:56:07.106-04:00I would hope LK added those and not Skidelsky, but...I would hope LK added those and not Skidelsky, but I don't know. A blog post is certainly another place where you want to economize on space. But perhaps that originated with Skidelsky.Daniel Kuehnhttp://www.factsandotherstubbornthings.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-25985332566352774652011-08-24T14:39:47.016-04:002011-08-24T14:39:47.016-04:00Doing a quick, cursory search I can't find the...Doing a quick, cursory search I can't find the letter online. <br /><br />The basic stylistic point of an ellipsis is to save space in media where such is important (consider a magazine article for example - where 500 or 1,000 words is the maximum that is allowed); in a book, if you are directly quoting someone you ought to use all of their words*, otherwise you might as well paraphrase their words instead and provide the appropriate citation. This is what I was taught in my first research course as an undergraduate. So when I see something like this I automatically want to go to the original source and see what is in between those ellipses. <br /><br />*There is a reason why you are using their words; you are using them for explanatory, dramatic, etc. effect. This is why you keep such quotations to a bare minimum; you know you are reading a less polished piece of scholarly work if it is chock full of block quotations.Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-74374256916886018002011-08-24T14:10:19.095-04:002011-08-24T14:10:19.095-04:00I'm quoting LK - I don't have the book. Ho...I'm quoting LK - I don't have the book. Hopefully nothing that changes the substance of the quote or I'm going to have to recalibrate my assessment of LK.Daniel Kuehnhttp://www.factsandotherstubbornthings.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-83631731020996800962011-08-24T14:07:12.905-04:002011-08-24T14:07:12.905-04:00What is in between all those ellipses exactly?What is in between all those ellipses exactly?Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.com