tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post8704227350214973803..comments2024-03-18T06:41:03.841-04:00Comments on Facts & other stubborn things: A Staggering GraphicEvanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12259004160963531720noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-75439133272397648702010-08-08T13:21:56.530-04:002010-08-08T13:21:56.530-04:00Dude, I have no idea what you are on about at this...Dude, I have no idea what you are on about at this point. You keep tilting at this windmill.Xenophonhttp://myob.myob.myob.myob.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-58508630614500055542010-08-08T07:49:15.944-04:002010-08-08T07:49:15.944-04:00You haven't clarified twice. You've repea...You haven't clarified twice. You've repeated the same answer twice, as you say, "in light of the context of what I was talking about".<br /><br />You've still failed to answer what I was asking you. Now I'm simply curious why (in addition, of course, to being curious about your answer).<br /><br />We all know the answer in the context of what you were talking about. That wasn't the question, though. Repeating he same answer to that different question again doesn't really "clarify" anything. You don't need to clarify what is already clear. I know you do not think the government-led pursuit of full employment is desirable. That is not the question I am asking you and it is not the question I've ever asked you in this thread.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17192667997950934790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-8057725992968603002010-08-07T21:18:29.087-04:002010-08-07T21:18:29.087-04:00"What he said earlier was that all full emplo..."What he said earlier was that all full employment is undesirable, and he's repeatedly refused to clarify."<br /><br />My point is entirely clear in light of the context of what I was talking about.<br /><br />Anyway, I've clarified twice (though I did not need to).Xenophonhttp://myob.myob.myob.myob.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-60517389491648509322010-08-07T15:48:10.829-04:002010-08-07T15:48:10.829-04:00Mattheus -
Anything that you wouldn't think a...Mattheus - <br />Anything that you wouldn't think anyone would venture to say, Xenophon will be likely to at least try saying.<br /><br />The question is, will he continue to proclaim it (like the point earlier about artistic or cultural critiques), or will he try to evade it once he realizes how crazy it actually is.<br /><br />He did indeed say that attempts at full employment are undesirable. I would respond "well, it depends on what kind of attempt we're talking about". Anyway, that's obvious and it was always clear that Xenophon thinks that.<br /><br />What he said earlier was that all full employment is undesirable, and he's repeatedly refused to clarify.<br /><br />Don't underestimate Xenophon - he likes to be a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17192667997950934790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-7254956811733427732010-08-07T13:09:22.460-04:002010-08-07T13:09:22.460-04:00I don't think anyone would venture to say that...I don't think anyone would venture to say that full employment in and of itself is undesirable, no more than they would say ANY exchange in and of itself is undesirable.<br /><br />His position is that government-sponsored attempts at full employment are undesirable. On this account I fully agree with Xenophon.Mattheushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08674252371229523297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-88195514881889250722010-08-07T08:54:51.985-04:002010-08-07T08:54:51.985-04:00Xenophon - that position of yours has been establi...Xenophon - that position of yours has been established for months.<br /><br />The implications that answer has for your reading comprehension, however, are not good. It's not the question I asked.<br /><br />You can say "I'm not really sure", you know.dkuehnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10136690886858186981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-19114984817509767892010-08-07T08:21:01.923-04:002010-08-07T08:21:01.923-04:00I'm not being remotely evasive.
Let me repe...I'm not being remotely evasive. <br /><br />Let me repeat ... "I don't think I'm being evasive - the government pursuit of full employment is a bad idea. Full stop."<br /><br />A very bad, soul crushing idea.Xenophonhttp://myob.myob.myob.myob.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-82920847929203426532010-08-07T07:08:37.833-04:002010-08-07T07:08:37.833-04:00Xenophon - once again you have not answered whethe...Xenophon - once again you have not answered whether you think full employment outside of governmnet pursuit of full employment is "desirous or useful".<br /><br />This is what you're being evasive about.<br /><br />Do you or not?<br /><br />4:18 suggested you do not. I'm trying to clarify.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17192667997950934790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-48446994052992549522010-08-06T19:14:18.487-04:002010-08-06T19:14:18.487-04:00Oh, my apologies then. The "M" should h...Oh, my apologies then. The "M" should have clued me in. *hits head soundly*Xenophonhttp://www.xenophon.xenophon.xenophon.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-2828668264168725192010-08-06T19:01:06.805-04:002010-08-06T19:01:06.805-04:00No haha, I mean that Daniel's blogspot Google ...No haha, I mean that Daniel's blogspot Google service used a different name for me. My first post was under Mvonguttenberg.Mattheushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08674252371229523297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-36304039797024158192010-08-06T18:02:23.275-04:002010-08-06T18:02:23.275-04:00Mattheus,
It? Wow.
Anyway, no, I didn't u...Mattheus,<br /><br />It? Wow. <br /><br />Anyway, no, I didn't use a different name.Xenophonhttp://myob.myob.myob.myob.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-24134172047034569062010-08-06T17:39:38.729-04:002010-08-06T17:39:38.729-04:00Weird. It used a different name.Weird. It used a different name.Mattheushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08674252371229523297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-42785667452185098902010-08-06T17:38:58.261-04:002010-08-06T17:38:58.261-04:00There will always be full employment in the absenc...There will always be full employment in the absence of government. Unemployment will then be <i>voluntary</i> unemployment.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09097736114438533571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-15157085773494982302010-08-06T17:10:23.951-04:002010-08-06T17:10:23.951-04:00I don't think I'm being evasive - the gove...I don't think I'm being evasive - the government pursuit of full employment is a bad idea. Full stop. <br /><br />See, I agree with you, Einstein does lament the lack of "natural full employment," and he has an agenda to address that.Xenophonhttp://myob.myob.myob.myob.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-3313522923222972392010-08-06T17:02:58.010-04:002010-08-06T17:02:58.010-04:00Do you simply not have an opinion on full employme...Do you simply not have an opinion on full employment outside of the context of government policies to create it? You're being bizarrely evasive on this.<br /><br />We agreed back at 4:40 that in the context of policies to create it you think it is not desirous. That's clearly apparent. We've none that forever.<br /><br />What about outside of the context of policies designed to bring it about? Your 4:18 comment was completely unqualified - and I've pressed you on this now several times and you're still evasive.<br /><br />Do you just not know what your opinion is in that case?Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17192667997950934790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-2442050644028006912010-08-06T16:59:43.388-04:002010-08-06T16:59:43.388-04:00In the context of government policies to create su...In the context of government policies to create such, yes. And that is what Einstein is driving at - we need to create policies that will foster employment for all that want it. And that is what I attacked.Xenophonhttp://myob.myob.myob.myob.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-58848938064851986952010-08-06T16:56:58.637-04:002010-08-06T16:56:58.637-04:00"I'd argue that such a thing doesn't ..."I'd argue that such a thing doesn't exist, any more than there is a "natural level" of the number of doctors or engineers in a polity."<br /><br />Well good! Then you, Einstein and I are in agreement.<br /><br />But a bad thing? A thing that would not be desirous or useful?<br /><br />Think of it this way - there is no guarantee that full employment will naturally emerge, but there's no reason to think that it couldn't at certain times. You wouldn't say it was a bad thing if it did naturally emerge, right?<br /><br />Try to understand why this has been going around in circles... earlier you did say that full employment is not desirous or useful.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17192667997950934790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-44222223461885708062010-08-06T16:54:34.594-04:002010-08-06T16:54:34.594-04:00Keynesian socialism in the sense that Keynesianism...Keynesian socialism in the sense that Keynesianism leads most likely to socialism. Not an artfully constructed sentence certainly.<br /><br />"Naturally emergent full employment would be bad too?"<br /><br />I'd argue that such a thing doesn't exist, any more than there is a "natural level" of the number of doctors or engineers in a polity.Xenophonhttp://myob.myob.myob.myob.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-44915406019748320192010-08-06T16:51:51.742-04:002010-08-06T16:51:51.742-04:00OK, but what if its not "pursued". Natu...OK, but what if its not "pursued". Naturally emergent full employment would be bad too?Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17192667997950934790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-1860520071477304202010-08-06T16:49:59.228-04:002010-08-06T16:49:59.228-04:00"The point is that "full employment"..."The point is that "full employment" isn't in any way desirous or useful."<br /><br />Meaning in the first instance it leads to bad outcomes when pursued. The useful part is probably redundant and can be ignored.<br /><br />And this links up with 4:36.Xenophonhttp://myob.myob.myob.myob.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-81207284222380446382010-08-06T16:46:09.431-04:002010-08-06T16:46:09.431-04:00Keynesians socialism?
Nevermind - I'm not ope...Keynesians socialism?<br /><br />Nevermind - I'm not opening that can of worms today.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17192667997950934790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-20067050581429152042010-08-06T16:45:23.958-04:002010-08-06T16:45:23.958-04:00Also, I doubt you could have moderated Einstein...Also, I doubt you could have moderated Einstein's position towards Keynesian socialism. After all, Einstein in his own field of expertise pounded his head into a brick wall for the last couple decades of his life.Xenophonhttp://myob.myob.myob.myob.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-56799824545846967172010-08-06T16:43:37.205-04:002010-08-06T16:43:37.205-04:00Mean the same thing or are both opinions held by y...Mean the same thing or are both opinions held by you?<br /><br />Because I simply cannot understand how they mean the same thing. Presumably one could quite easily hold 4:36 but not 4:18.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17192667997950934790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-48732591394382398522010-08-06T16:42:39.136-04:002010-08-06T16:42:39.136-04:00Then I think we have more fundamental issues to wo...Then I think we have more fundamental issues to work out besides economics.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17192667997950934790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-13021873788125253072010-08-06T16:41:51.660-04:002010-08-06T16:41:51.660-04:00And if you are going to change your position again...And if you are going to change your position again, I'm leaving by 5:00 EST, so make sure you do it punctually.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17192667997950934790noreply@blogger.com