tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post7587812832812434268..comments2024-03-27T03:00:27.024-04:00Comments on Facts & other stubborn things: A while back I called this the "presumption of ideological orthogonality"Evanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12259004160963531720noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-49202363369536736162011-08-12T20:15:41.468-04:002011-08-12T20:15:41.468-04:00I need to edit better before I post:
Anyway, ther...I need to edit better before I post:<br /><br />Anyway, there is a reason why welfare state advocates are not called classical liberals; they are called social liberals or modern liberals for good reason because those are the terms that modern liberals/social liberals adopted. Indeed, since modern liberals (this would include their ultimate champion FDR) did their level best in the 1930s to drag Cobden and Sumner through the mud I have no idea why a modern liberal would like to lay claim to the term classical liberal in the first place. It is thus passing strange to me that a modern liberal would want to re-adopt terminology that the tradition which they spring from rejected.Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-51977427325470742722011-08-12T19:51:35.526-04:002011-08-12T19:51:35.526-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-11888426527661121012011-08-12T19:41:19.183-04:002011-08-12T19:41:19.183-04:00What amazes me is this - it is the full on whiny n...What amazes me is this - it is the full on whiny nature of welfare statists who got everything they wanted yet did not reap the results of such and then in turn complain about classical liberals for questioning their ideology.Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-12959680324397622232011-08-12T19:38:49.584-04:002011-08-12T19:38:49.584-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-56895385113615352192011-08-12T19:34:19.313-04:002011-08-12T19:34:19.313-04:00Daniel,
No, you are wrong. And it is in fact on ...Daniel,<br /><br />No, you are wrong. And it is in fact on point.<br /><br />The unpleasant thing about welfare statists is that they claim (a) well, really only want "smart government" or "government at the right level" and (b) turn around and increase government as much as they can get away with.Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-18713475565295842242011-08-12T19:32:10.932-04:002011-08-12T19:32:10.932-04:00The left believes more government is always good, ...The left believes more government is always good, regardless of the circumstances.Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-89812673658493005762011-08-12T19:28:49.864-04:002011-08-12T19:28:49.864-04:00Well that's a bit peripheral to the main point...Well that's a bit peripheral to the main point of this tendency to assume people you don't agree with are the mirror image of you.<br /><br />You're still wrong - but you're peripherally wrong.Daniel Kuehnhttp://www.factsandotherstubbornthings.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-29604843738783683042011-08-12T19:04:42.398-04:002011-08-12T19:04:42.398-04:00If I haven't made myself clear, modern conserv...If I haven't made myself clear, modern conservatives (the right) and modern liberals (the left) (and here we're obviously using exclusively American terminology) are equally and in their own unique ways opposed to classical liberalism.Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-16345979076981151462011-08-12T19:02:44.640-04:002011-08-12T19:02:44.640-04:00This part of a long train of blog posts where Dani...This part of a long train of blog posts where Daniel tries to claim that welfare statists are really classical liberals. I just don't buy it. I equally don't buy the claim that modern conservatives are just another variety of classical liberalism. <br /><br />If you want a comparison of classical liberals to welfare statists read Sumner vs. Keynes. Their viewpoints are fundamentally different, and Keynes' views are an anathema to those of Sumner.Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.com