tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post3283667743518678800..comments2024-03-18T06:41:03.841-04:00Comments on Facts & other stubborn things: Assault of Thoughts - 5/TGIF/2011Evanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12259004160963531720noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-15175210800201572052011-05-07T18:30:41.341-04:002011-05-07T18:30:41.341-04:00mobsrule - I can't speak for progressive intel...mobsrule - I can't speak for progressive intellectuals. I certainly don't have anything against poor non-Jewish whites, and I resent the implication.<br /><br />I'd appreciate it if you just stop commenting here, mobsrule.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17192667997950934790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-82177944563102927032011-05-06T12:05:49.866-04:002011-05-06T12:05:49.866-04:00Daniel, I'm curious; in what way was the South...Daniel, I'm curious; in what way was the South's decision bad? Was it because they underestimated Union resolve, or because Remaining in the Union was really more in their interests and they didn't see it?Argosy Joneshttp://ibm.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-40994860461818600062011-05-06T08:17:35.100-04:002011-05-06T08:17:35.100-04:00It's been a while, but ya - I should go back s...It's been a while, but ya - I should go back soon.dkuehnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10136690886858186981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-35939948509179959892011-05-06T08:09:54.927-04:002011-05-06T08:09:54.927-04:00Daniel,
Ever been to Gettysburg?
One of my fav...Daniel,<br /><br />Ever been to Gettysburg? <br /><br />One of my favorite spots has always been "Little Round Top" - watching where Chamberlain and the 20th Maine defended their position was very cool. I liked walking down where he ordered his left flank to fix bayonets and charge against the 15th Alabama.Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-88795774107555562822011-05-06T08:02:21.353-04:002011-05-06T08:02:21.353-04:00Daniel,
If you are ever in Vermont visit the stat...Daniel,<br /><br />If you are ever in Vermont visit the state house (Vermont doesn't have a mansion for the Govehnuh); there is a beautiful mural representing the Battle of Cedar Creek - Vermonters kicked some ass in the Civil War (the 8th Vermont lost something like 2/3rds of its numbers to death or injury in Battle of Thermopylae like stand during the early stages of that particular battle, but kept the battle from turning into an early rout in the process, giving Sheridan time to reform and allowing for the later Union victory in the afternoon against Johnny Reb)Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-6531156255757406752011-05-06T07:54:11.538-04:002011-05-06T07:54:11.538-04:00I agree with all that Gary - all I'm saying is...I agree with all that Gary - all I'm saying is that there's nothing wrong with me pointing to Lincoln's actions as the precipitating cause of Virginia's secession. Clearly Lincoln's actions didn't come out of the blue. Your rush to see talk of "fault" in what I've said is my concern, as if I'm some sort of Tom DiLorenzo Lincoln-hater.dkuehnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10136690886858186981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-66245459144571952792011-05-06T07:49:42.349-04:002011-05-06T07:49:42.349-04:00True, but, the war that began in 1861 was the resu...True, but, the war that began in 1861 was the result of the attack on Ft. Sumter. The South gambled and lost.<br /><br />More fully, the South decided to start a war as a result of the paranoia regarding the "peculiar institution" and the fear of its abolition (Brown's raid played right into that, even if it was not remotely representative of northern opinion). The irony being that its demise was dramatically hastened by the war. <br /><br />Of course, I'm an Oregonian; we generally don't get much concerned about the "Lost Cause" or "bloody shirt."Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-23335416841865739292011-05-06T07:42:57.618-04:002011-05-06T07:42:57.618-04:00But for secession that would not have happened... ...But for secession that would not have happened... but for the Missouri Compromise that would not have happened... but for the situation at the Constitutional Convention that would not have happened... but for...dkuehnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10136690886858186981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-68314355253333594162011-05-06T07:41:43.022-04:002011-05-06T07:41:43.022-04:00Daniel,
On southern nationalism read "The Id...Daniel,<br /><br />On southern nationalism read "The Idea of a Southern Nation." I especially loved the chapter on creating a network of "southern" universities which honor southern culture - it is where a plethora of southern universities go their start.Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-7361816637634553972011-05-06T07:39:55.145-04:002011-05-06T07:39:55.145-04:00Daniel,
Read Mary Chestnut's diary for a star...Daniel,<br /><br />Read Mary Chestnut's diary for a starter.<br /><br />The war started with the assault on Ft. Sumter. But for that event the war would have not occurred.Gary Gunnelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463810435943252898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-21302494138083083592011-05-06T07:37:49.405-04:002011-05-06T07:37:49.405-04:00The Peirce family's Confederate sympathies as ...The Peirce family's Confederate sympathies as a reasonably well known family in Boston was interesting too.dkuehnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10136690886858186981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-2499722768566097632011-05-06T07:37:06.747-04:002011-05-06T07:37:06.747-04:00For those who haven't read it, it felt like ha...For those who haven't read it, it felt like half the Civil War material in The Metaphysical Club was about the home front in Boston especially. Ya, I thought it was very interesting.<br /><br />What I would love to read, if anyone is aware of a good one, is a social history of the South during the Civil War - something to cover people who weren't in the leadership in the South at the time. The Southern leadership is essentially unredeemable. The Northern leadership had anti-slavery sympathies but the universal motivation was unionism. The Northern populace was similarly divided, and often acrimoniously so. What I don't feel I have a good grasp on is the Southern populace. Clearly there was racism and white supremacy - but you had that throughout America. Certainly stronger int he South, but I wonder personally who they reflected more: their same class in the North or their same sectional identity - elites in the South.dkuehnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10136690886858186981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-7511278198230903392011-05-06T07:32:09.828-04:002011-05-06T07:32:09.828-04:00I have found that Virginians ought not to discuss ...I have found that Virginians ought not to discuss the Civil War while maintaining residency in the Land of Lincoln.<br /><br />On another note... did you like how Menand treated unionism v. abolitionism in the first sections of <i>The Metaphysical Club</i> on the Holmes family?Evanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12259004160963531720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-37338813625185843512011-05-06T07:31:32.317-04:002011-05-06T07:31:32.317-04:00Right - did I say the Union didn't fire on For...Right - did I say the Union didn't fire on Fort Sumter? The South provoked a war, Lincoln raised 75,000 troops to start that war and pushed Virginia into secession. Don't try to start a fight over something I never said.dkuehnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10136690886858186981noreply@blogger.com