tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post2948155327119131880..comments2024-03-27T03:00:27.024-04:00Comments on Facts & other stubborn things: This is why you can't just dismiss things like "stand your ground"Evanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12259004160963531720noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-7689504511920514092012-07-20T12:54:53.802-04:002012-07-20T12:54:53.802-04:00The "unarmed kid" (i.e., a young man) wa...The "unarmed kid" (i.e., a young man) was sat on top of him punching him in the face.vimothynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-13894642942321309782012-07-19T14:31:33.364-04:002012-07-19T14:31:33.364-04:00I've heard that argument a lot: "You don&...I've heard that argument a lot: "You don't bring a gun to a fist fight". I wholly disagree. A fist fight (especially one that involves someone smashing your head on the floor) is a serious threat to your life and bodily integrity. Taking a page from Locke, the person who violently attacks you forfeits all their rights until you are restored to a position of security. Stopping someone from appreciably raising my risk of death or grievous bodily harm is well worth killing for.<br /><br />I of course have no idea what happened that night and so my comments are not meant to indict or support the position of any of the protagonists.PrometheeFeuhttp://prometheefeu.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-26624125494058153672012-07-19T09:27:19.652-04:002012-07-19T09:27:19.652-04:00I've heard a lot of different versions of what...I've heard a lot of different versions of what happened, and I'm not sure what is true. It may very well be true that Trayvon had a short fuse - too short a fuse - in reacting to what he understandably perceived as a threat from Zimmerman.<br /><br />Zimmerman initiated this whole thing by harassing Martin. Martin may or may not have physically responded - perhaps he did. But it seems to me the overreaction of killing an unarmed kid dwarfs the overreaction of hitting someone that's harassing you.<br /><br />Zimmerman should not have initiated in the first place. It was a kid walking down the street. What business did he have bothering him?<br /><br />But if/when Martin assaulted from him, Zimmerman should have just shoved him off, pinned him on the ground. Or hell, even if he hit Martin that would have been fine. Why the hell did he pull a gun on an unarmed kid?Daniel Kuehnhttp://www.factsandotherstubbornthings.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-29244477026549486352012-07-19T09:23:10.285-04:002012-07-19T09:23:10.285-04:00He shot an unarmed kid in his community.He shot an unarmed kid in his community.Daniel Kuehnhttp://www.factsandotherstubbornthings.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-24701344858350245922012-07-19T09:11:49.319-04:002012-07-19T09:11:49.319-04:00I am surprised by Daniel here.
Normally, we are t...I am surprised by Daniel here.<br /><br />Normally, we are the loud rhetorical ones, and it's Daniel who chooses the most balanced stance and language.<br /><br />So him calling Zimmerman a "violent thug" is rather unexpected.<br /><br />Also unfair, because the bloody gash on Zimmerman's head indeed shows that his head was being smashed on the pavement on that day, and he shot his gun at Martin afterwards. Perhaps irrational, but I can't imagine doing rational things when my head is being smashed on a pavement repeatedly.Prateekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15287835907015065883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-37290593943211047432012-07-19T05:47:29.266-04:002012-07-19T05:47:29.266-04:00In what sense was George Zimmerman a threat to his...In what sense was George Zimmerman a threat to his community or a violent thug?vimothynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740670447258719504.post-60588470711283103232012-07-19T05:40:43.794-04:002012-07-19T05:40:43.794-04:00Zimmerman was just doing what cops do on a regular...Zimmerman was just doing what cops do on a regular basis with impunity.Major_Freedomnoreply@blogger.com